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Ejecuta tus programas windows en Linux con WINE. (306105 lectures)
Por Carlos Cortes Cortes
carcoco (http://bulma.net/~carcoco/)
Creado el 28/01/2002 22:30 modificado el 28/01/2002 22:30

Wine permite ejecutar aplicaciones windows, en sistemas linux, a través de una serie de librerias, funciones , API's y programas desarrollados desde cero. Es decir, que no necesitas tener instalado ese inestable, inseguro, problemático y caro sistema operativo ...

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Hay mucha gente opina que es un tonteria usar el WINE; puesto que lo que hay que hacer es desarrollar aplicaciones nativas para linux y dejarse de emuladores, la respuesta es contundente: El primer paso es la posibilidad de que se ejecuten las aplicaciones, luego cuando se popularicen (y crezca la demanda), ya se encargan los propios fabricantes de realizar la versión nativa del software. Es lo que ha pasado con la suite Hancom Office, Magic, etc...

Características de WINE:

Soporte para la ejecución de programas DOS, Win 3.x y Win9x/NT/Win2000. (la mayoría de los controles Win32 están soportados).
Uso opcional de DLL externas a Wine (p.e. las DLL originales del Windows).
Gráficos a traves del X11 (lo que posibilitat la ejecución remota a través de servidores X), consola en modo texto.
Bastante avanzado soporte del DirectX para juegos.
Muy buen soporte del sonido y de dispositivos de entrada.
Impresión: soporte de drivers nativos Win16 y soporte interno PostScript.
Modems y dispositivos serie soportados.
Winsock TCP/IP.
Interfaz ASPI (SCSI): soporte de escanners, grabadoras de CD's , ...
Unicode, soporte de idiomas
Depurador y registro configurable de mensajes
Desktop-in-a-box or mixable windows

Voy a explicar brevemente como realizar una instalación y configuración desde cero del Wine al mismo tiempo que os muestro un ejemplo práctico de su uso: la ejecución del programa de envío de mensajes cortos a móviles winsms de Azrael. (en espera de la versión nativa en Kylix del mismo ;-)

Lo primero que tenemos que hacer es bajarnos la última versión del wine, podemos bajarnos el codigo fuente, o un paquete binario según nuestra distribución, yo voy a explicar el proceso en el caso de que optemos por la instalación a partir del código fuente.

Para hacerlo, primeramente nos pasaremos por Wine Development HQ: http://www.winehq.com/, desde nos llevará a la dirección donde descargar la última versión liberada, por ejemplo, http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/ALPHA/wine/development/Wine-20020122.tar.gz

Una vez descomprimido de la forma usual:

tar zxvf Wine-20020122.tar.gz

Nos creará un directorio, con el código fuente, listo para ser compilado, aunque antes tendremos que ejecutar el script configure

$ cd wine-20020122
$ ./configure

Puede ocurrir, como en este caso que nos falte alguna libreria, como en este ejemplo:

*** Note: You have cups runtime libraries, but no development
*** libraries. Install the cups-devel package or whichever package
*** contains cups.h to enable CUPS support in WINE.

*** Note: Your system appears to have the FreeType 2 runtime libraries
*** installed, but 'freetype-config' is not in your PATH. Install the
*** freetype-devel package (or its equivalent on your distribution) to
*** enable Wine to use TrueType fonts.

En este caso no está informado que como no tenemos instaladas las librerias de desarrollo del CUPS ni del paquete freetype-devel, no tendremos soporte para ambas en Wine, aunque eso no impedirá la correcta compilación del mismo.
Si todo ha ido bien, ahora si que podemos empezar a compilar:

$ make depend && make

Ahora como root, tendremos que realizar la instalación de nuestro recien compilado Wine:

# make install

Una vez instalado, el siguiente paso es la configuración del Wine, esta se basa en un fichero de texto, que se encuentra el directorio home del usuario, dentro de .wine. Lo mejor es copiar el que viene de ejemplo y luego modificarlo para adaptarlo a nuestro sistema.

$ mkdir ~/.wine/
cp documentation/samples/config ~/.wine/config

Aquí os dejo los cambios que he realizado a ~/.wine/config para adaptarlo a mis necesidades:

[Drive A]
"Path" = "/floppy"		<---
"Type" = "floppy"
"Label" = "Floppy"
"Serial" = "87654321"
"Device" = "/dev/fd0"
...
[Drive C]
"Path" = "/wine/c"		<----
"Type" = "hd"
"Label" = "MS-DOS"
"Filesystem" = "win95"
...

Lo que indica que la disquetera está en el directorio /floppy, tal y como se puede comprobar con:

$ grep fd0 /etc/fstab
/dev/fd0        /floppy             auto            noauto,user 0   0

En cambio para la unidad principal de Wine, la típica unidad c:\ del winbugs, he creado el directorio /wine/c. Una vez en ejecución, este directorio y todo lo que tengamos en él, se comportara como si fuera realmente la unidad c:.
De forma que cuando en el fichero ~/.wine/config tenemos algo como:

[wine]
"Windows" = "c:\\windows"
"System" = "c:\\windows\\system"

Realmente en mi máquina y con esta configuración se encuentra en /wine/c/windows/ y /wine/c/windows/system/.

Por lo tanto necesitaremos crear cierta estructura en nuestro directorio /wine/c:

cd /wine/c
mkdir -p windows/system
mkdir -p windows/Start\ Menu/Programs

El campo "Type", puede tomar los siguientes valores: hd (disco duro o un directorio), cdrom (CD-ROM), floppy (disquetera) y network (Red).

Una vez correctamente configurado, le siguiente paso será crear el tristemente famoso registro de winbugs, ejecutando:

programs/regapi/regapi setValue < winedefault.reg

Si no tenemos el programa regapi, lo que tendremos que hacer es compilarlo de la siguiente forma:

$ cd programs/regapi
$ make
$ l regapi 
$ regapi -> ../../wine
$ cd ../../
$ programs/regapi/regapi setValue < winedefault.reg

Esto lo que hace es crear el necesario registro directorio .wine del usuario en cuestión, tal y como podemos ver:

$ l ~/.wine/system.reg 
-rw-r--r--    1 carlos   users       16048 ene 26 16:15 
                                 /home/carlos/.wine/system.reg

Para verificar que todo funciona y esta correctamente configurado, podemos copiar el binario de la calculadora de windows y ver si realmente funciona o no:

$ cp /mnt/dos/windows/calc.exe /wine/c/windows/
$ wine calc
o
$ wine "c:\windows\calc.exe"

Por último, vamos a utilizar el Wine para ejecutar el excelente programa de envío de mensajes SMS a móviles desarrollado por Azrael; http://www.winsms.org en nuestro querido Linuz. Lo primero será bajarnos el winsms de la página web, por ejemplo del mirror gentileza de NetVicious: http://webs.ono.com/NetVicious/ayudasms.zip.

Ahora lo descomprimimos y lo copiamos, por ejemplo a /wine/c/windows (que esta incluido en el Path, de forma que podemos ejecutarlo simplemente tecleando wine azrasms.exe

 
$ unzip ayudasms.zip
$ cp azrasms.exe /wine/c/azrasms.exe
$ wine azrasms.exe

Agradecer a Azrael, a NetVicious y todos los que han colaborado en este gran programa, que ahora también podemos disfrutar los usuarios de Linux gracias al proyecto WINE. :-)
Azrael, ¿como vas con el Kylix? ;-)

Enlaces relacionados:

WINE: The Open Source Way to Run Windows Application. http://www.unixreview.com/documents/s=1781/urm0112j/0112j.htm
Can WINE Ferment Move to Linux? (artículo en Wired): http://www.wired.com/news/business/0,1367,49719,00.html
WinEnLinux by hackman: http://members.tripod.com/~rebeli0n/tec/winenlinux.txt
Wine User Guide en formato pdf: ftp://ftp.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/ALPHA/wine/development/wine-doc.pdf.gz
WineX. Soporte del DirectX en Wine: http://www.transgaming.com/
CodeWeavers: http://www.codeweavers.com/
WinSMS de Azrael: http://www.winsms.org/

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Por: ElCoco

Muu bueno el articulillo ;) Quiero añadir que pa la gente que use debian(y sea impaciente) podeis encontrar 6 paquetes sobre esta aplicación(solo lo he comprobado en woody), son:

libwine: Como el nombre dice, las librerias que usa el wine ;).

wine: La aplicacion propiamente dicha.

wine-doc: La doc que la acompaña.

wine-utlis: Conjunto de utilidades.

winesetuptk: Muy interesante, es un programa de configuracion muy bonito para configurar el wine y no tener que editar el fichero a mano, ofrece autodectección de dispositivos y todo, muy apto para cualquier vago que se precie ;).

libwine-dev: Pos como muy bien habrás intiudo, son las librerias de desarrollo ;)

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26. Re: Ejecuta tus programas windows en Linux con WINE. (29/01/2002 01:56, #4537)
Por: El cobarde anónimo

Pues con la calculadora funciona ok, y con el VB6 desaparecieron los directorios de 'Archivos de Programa' estaban renombrados con nombres raros....

Mas vale no mover la mierda mucho, porque mas apesta...

27. Re: Ejecuta tus programas windows en Linux con WINE. (29/01/2002 02:17, #4538)
Por: NetVicious

Muy bueno el artículo, aunque como debianero todo eso lo solucioné gracias al maravilloso apt-get ;)

Como habrás observado el WinSMS funciona perfectamente con Wine debido a que está hecho en Delphi 3 y no utiliza ningún componente del Windows al estilo RichEdit y compañia (Azrael siempre lo ha intentando así), no es así mi ezUpdate el cual está hecho en VB y por tanto necesita la MSVBRUN5.DLL y el API WinInet que va con e IE 3.0 o superior. Lo hice así en un principio por el mero hecho de tamaño, el EzUpdate ocupa muuuy poco comparado al tamaño de un mismo programa hecho con Delphi, y el programa debía acompañar al programa que se iba a actualizar.

En cuanto Kylix Azra y yo probamos la versión 2.0 libre y la completa (solo para probar) y no conseguímos que compilase ya que el salto del 3.0 al 6.0 (Kylix 2 es Delphi 6 para Linux) es bastante grande y fallaban bastantes cosas. Esto dificulta mucho el posible port a Linux, ya que habría que mantener dos sources (uno de Delphi y otro de Kylix).

Aparte de ello nos encontramos con que la licencia de la versión Open del Kylix obliga a que todo programa que se haga con él debe de ser GPL y por lo tanto se debe incluir el código fuente, cosa a la cual Azrael-- se opone totalmente como casi la mayoría de los que colaboramos con él, ello es así porque si el fuente fuese libre a los dos o tres días tendriamos sms-bombers por doquier y eso es una cosa que no queremos nadie.

Y en cuanto a usar la versión completa del Kylix 2.0 nos encontramos con el problema de que no es gratuita y no es muy barata que digamos.

No me paré mucho a ver si podía arreglar el código fuente del WinSMS para que funcionase con Kylix 2 porque de verdad os aseguro que daba bastantes problemas y como con Wine funciona perfectamente pues menos ganas de mirarlo me entraron :(

Una sola pregunta, instalandolo tal y como comentas ¿se ven bien las fuentes de la agenda ? El problema creo que es de la fuente que utiliza.

28. Re: Ejecuta tus programas windows en Linux con WINE. (29/01/2002 12:45, #4543)
Por: buba

Utilizo wine desde hace mucho tiempo y el winsms va bastante bien ( este tambien hace tiempo que lo utilizao tanto en win como en wine/linux ) como dices las fuentes de la agenda no se ven, o te acuerdas de los numeros de telefono que salen o vas probando porque cuando ya muestra el numero/propietario ahi si que sale correcto. Utilizo el winsms bajo wine porque el smsdaemon y algun otro que he probado no me han terminado de gustar y este funciona + o - igual que en win.

Un saludo

29. Re: Ejecuta tus programas windows en Linux con WINE. (28/08/2003 21:31, #16743)
Por: El cobarde anónimo

No puedo descargar estos Emulador, Por favor enviarme una dirección de Donde Puedo descargar... y como puedo INstalarlo... Att, Héctor Uscamayta uhhector@hotmail.com

30. Problemilla con el winsms... (en linux :) ) (29/01/2002 23:16, #4561)
Por: El cobarde anónimo

Buenas, simplemente comentar que solo me deja enviar
mensajes a gente que tengo (o voy poniendo en la
agenda) si escribo un numero de tlf., texto a enviar
y intento enviar me dice: Peacho gein! Si pones bien
el número de teléfono al ke enviar, mejó ke mejó XDDD

Solo me pasa mi?
Otra cosa, en Windows (brrr que escalofrio :) ) tengo
la agenda, hay alguna manera que desde Linux el winsms
me la coja?

Gracias. Sebastià.

31. Re: Problemilla con el winsms... (en linux :) ) (30/01/2002 00:14, #4563)
Por: NetVicious

La agenda es el azrasms.ini copiala en el mismo directorio donde tengas el winsms y listo ;)

32. mmm m'esplico más :) (30/01/2002 23:00, #4595)
Por: El cobarde anónimo

Lo que yo hago es:
"home":>wine /directorios.../azrael-sms/azrasms.exe

Y en .../azrael-sms/ está el azrasms.ini con la agenda... pero al ejecutarse no la pilla...

Que estoy haciendo mal?
La tengo que copiar en el "home"???? (no lo veo lógico... y no lo he provado :( ).
Ta lueg, Sebastià.

33. Me autocontesto :) (31/01/2002 23:08, #4628)
Por: El cobarde anónimo

Capuyada mia :'( si que me pilla la agenda,
pero solo cuando ejecuto el azrasms.exe DESDE el directorio donde está el ejecutable y el azrasms.ini.

Para los capuyines como yo:
"home":> cd /directorio donde este el ejecutable y la agenda/

"/directorio donde este el ejecutable y la agenda/":>wine azrasms.exe

Así a mi me funciona, y me pasa lo mismo que a todos con la agenda :)

Ta lueg, Sebastià.

34. Re: Problemilla con el winsms... (en linux :) ) (30/01/2002 08:28, #4569)
Por: Capsize

A mi tb me pasa, si pones numero no rula.

35. Re: Problemilla con el winsms... (en linux :) ) (31/01/2002 13:46, #4609)
Por: poz yo :P

a mi tb me pasa lo de ke no me coge el numero... pero he encontrado una solucion: escribe el destinatario como si fuera tu propio movil en las Opciones, y luego mandalo como prueba :PP

36. Re: Ejecuta tus programas windows en Linux con WINE. (30/01/2002 18:26, #4589)
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Sobre abrir las fuentes y el SMS-bomber creo yo que es labor del servidor asegurarse que desde una IP no se envíen más de X mensajes por minuto.

Después de ver cracks que hacen maravillas no creo que sea muy dificil hacer algo a cualquier programa para que si le interesa a alguien haga un sms-bomber aunque sea sencillo y sólo por joder.

Esa misma razón la eximen, por ejemplo, en el edonkey para no sacar las fuentes del cliente de Linux cuando lo que habría que hacer es un método para que detectado un nodo que no actúe correctamente se le deshabilite de la red.

Cerrar las fuentes nunca es la solución aunque ayuda a que gente sin conocimientos suficientes intente hacer putadas.

37. Re: Ejecuta tus programas windows en Linux con WINE. (30/01/2002 18:53, #4591)
Por: NetVicious

Tu lo has dicho "debería" ser función del servidor, pero ninguno lo hace.

Está claro que siempre se puede hacer algo que el autor no haya pensado, pero te puedo decir que en cuanto se descubre un programa que hace uso del WinSMS para enviar los SMS este se desactiva desde el winsms. Creo recordar que ya hay 3 programas bloqueados ;)

Entiendo perfectamente tus razones pero nosotros ni nadie puede obligar a los servidores a que hagan esas funciones. De forma que yo entiendo que la postura de Azrael es la correcta.

El problema no es la gente con/sin conocimientos. El problema es que es muy facil hacer un sms-bomber a partir de unos fuentes y después distribuirlo por internet, como ha así ha sido en algunas ocasiones con programas que muchos conocereis.

El SMS-Bombing hace que los servidores se saturen y las personas que quieren enviar un SMS de vez en cuando no puedan hacerlo debido a que determinados "crios" se están "divirtiendo" con un programita que un tio hizo para joder a todos.

38. Re: Ejecuta tus programas windows en Linux con WINE. (31/01/2002 23:55, #4629)
Por: El cobarde anónimo

WinSMS puede ser utilizado perfectamente para hacer mailbombing, y sin ninguna posibilidad de ser bloqueado, sólo hace falta un programa para crear macros de movimientos de ratón en windows, como los que suelen usarse para el Ultima Online y otros menesteres (ahora mismo tengo uno en el disco), así que como argumento para no abrir las fuentes, me parece muy débil, más aún si se tiene en cuenta que ya habeís comentado que habeis tenido 'cracks' a pesar de que las fuentes son cerradas.

Saludos.

39. Re: Ejecuta tus programas windows en Linux con WINE. (01/02/2002 00:57, #4635)
Por: NetVicious

Ha habido varios programas que han hecho eso que comentas...

Y todos los que hemos conocido se han bloqueado en el WinSMS...

Si sabes alguno más, dejalo aquí y se añadirá a la lista negra del WinSMS.

40. Re: Ejecuta tus programas windows en Linux con WINE. (01/02/2002 01:36, #4646)
Por: El cobarde anónimo

Si contestabas a mi mensaje, como así creo que es, tengo que decirte que __ni de coña__ y por muy buenos que seais vaís a poder impedir que WinSMS + un programa de macros de ratón y teclado pueda utilizarse para hacer mailbombing. Ahora no estoy en windows y no lo puedo probar, pero es que no me hace falta porque x lo que respecta al programa 'victima' es como si lo estuviera manejando un ser humano, y no tiene forma de detectarlo.

Si conseguís que WinSMS evite ser usado por cualquier programa de macros que yo elija (de los que se suelen usar con el Ultima Online, insisto) sin perjudicar el uso normal del WinSMS os invito a ti y a Azrael a cenar. Si no lo conseguís... mmm digamos que os comprometeis a hacer un port para linux en un plazo de tiempo razonable (menos de 6 mese) :-D

¿Hecho?

jajs@retemail.es

41. Re: Ejecuta tus programas windows en Linux con WINE. (01/02/2002 01:56, #4651)
Por: NetVicious

Tengo en la lista de cosas a mirar lo que comentas de bloquear cualquier aplicación..

Windows procesa él todos los mensajes antes de mandarlos a cualquier aplicación de forma que tengo que investigar si en alguno de los campos del mensaje pone quien es el que envió el mensaje en un inicio.

En cuanto a programas, con saber el nombre del programa tenemos suficiente para bloquearlo

42. Re: Ejecuta tus programas windows en Linux con WINE. (01/02/2002 02:15, #4653)
Por: El cobarde anónimo

Mmmm, creo que no me he explicado bien. Lo que hacen estos programas no es interceptar nada, no lo necesitan. Lo que hacen es grabar una secuencia de movimientos del ratón y pulsaciones de teclas que luego reproducen continuamente. Muchos de ellos además pueden programarse mediante un lenguaje de script propio, para permitir decirse 'si sale una ventana popup pulsa el primer botón' o 'cogeme el texto de esta parte de la ventana y si es tal o cual haz esto o lo otro'.

El uso, por ejemplo sería:

Abres el WinSMS, importante ;)
Abres el programa para grabar macros
Te preparas para envíar un mensaje
Le das a grabar
Envías el mensaje.
Detienes la macro
Reproduces la macro infinitamente

Como ves, es tan sencillo que da miedo. Aquí te pongo una página con una buena lista de esos programas, entre otros (uno de los más conocidos es el EZ Macros):

www.at-center.com

43. Re: Ejecuta tus programas windows en Linux con WINE. (01/02/2002 03:57, #4655)
Por: NetVicious

Yo te hablaba como funcionan internamente pero bueno el caso es que esos pueden hacer la pua...

Tranquilo ya ira Azrael baneando uno a uno ;)

44. Re: Ejecuta tus programas windows en Linux con WINE. (31/01/2002 11:13, #4605)
Por: El cobarde anónimo

Hombre, respeto que Azrael no quiera liberar el codigo fuente de WinSms, pero la excusa de los sms-bombers no me parece muy allá que digamos, porque yo conozco otros tantos programas de envio de sms que si dan el codigo fuente y que funcionan bastante bien, con lo que si quiero hacer un sms-bomber lo haria ya. ¿No habeis visto linuxsms?

45. Re: Ejecuta tus programas windows en Linux con WINE. (31/01/2002 11:51, #4606)
Por: NetVicious

Cualquier programa de linux en consola es susceptible de ser usado como sms-bomber, por eso mismo el WinSMS no acepta paso de parámetros...

Otra cosa que también tienes que mirar es el número de servidores que tiene esos programas que comentas... Generalmente poco y casi siempre los mismos...

46. Re: Ejecuta tus programas windows en Linux con WINE. (01/02/2002 00:00, #4631)
Por: El cobarde anónimo

Con respecto a lo de no poder usarlo para mailbombing lee mi comentario anterior sobre los programas de macros.

Con respecto al número de servidores... ¿que tendrá que ver que un programa se pueda utilizar para hacer mailbombing con el número de servidores?

Daros cuenta de vuestro propio razonamiento si se aplicara a otros campos.

Linux tiene que ser código cerrado porque alguien podría modificar la pila tcp/ip para hacer putaditas.
Sendmail tiene que ser código cerrado porque alguien podría modificarlo para hacer putaditas.
Perl..
Python...
Apache...
Las X...

¿Os dais cuenta ya?

47. Re: Ejecuta tus programas windows en Linux con WINE. (01/02/2002 01:07, #4637)
Por: NetVicious

Te entiendo perfectamente.

El motivo principal de ello es de Azrael y es una cosa en la que yo estoy de acuerdo.

En cuanto a las aplicaciones que comentas lo entiendo perfectamente que pueden ser causa de putadas. Pero es que si nos ponemos así todo debería ser libre porque al final todo programa puede hacer algún tipo de putada, tal que borrar ficheros.

El WinSMS dudo que por ahora distribuya los fuentes por los motivos del sms-bombing y compañia. Es la opinión de su creador y por ahora hay que acatarla tal y como se debe hacer con el MPlayer.

48. Re: Ejecuta tus programas windows en Linux con WINE. (01/02/2002 01:22, #4641)
Por: El cobarde anónimo

Vale vale, yo respeto que Azra no quiera liberar las fuentes, pero que diga el motivo real, porque el que está alegando ahora mismo no lo es. Que diga simplemente 'no lo libero porque no me da la gana' y me parecerá muy legítimo.

Pero es que si nos ponemos así todo debería ser libre porque al final todo programa puede hacer algún tipo de putada, tal que borrar ficheros.

No, en este caso estamos hablando de un programa que no quiere hacerse libre porque alguien podría hacer algo malo con las fuentes (mala excusa), no de que los programas tengan que ser libres para que la gente no pueda hacer putaditas (si te fijas es justo lo contrario).

Y de nuevo vuelvo a insistir, no es que no quieran, es que NO PUEDEN aunque quisieran:

MPlayer is basically GPL, but contains some non-GPL code which is not allowed to be distributed in binary form, and also contains the OpenDivX library which has special license. We are still developing towards GPL.

Y en otro enlace:

MPlayer describes the sourcecode. It contains several files with incompatible licenses especially on the redistribution clauses. As source files, they are allowed to coexist in a same project

Therefore, NEITHER BINARIES NOR BINARY PACKAGES OF MPlayer ARE ALLOWED TO EXIST SINCE SUCH OBJECTS BREAK LICENSES. PEOPLE WHO DISTRIBUTE SUCH BINARY PACKAGES ARE DOING ILLEGAL ACTIVITIES.

49. Re: Ejecuta tus programas windows en Linux con WINE. (01/02/2002 01:51, #4650)
Por: NetVicius

A mi me parece sufiente motivo ese. El no quiere que su trabajo sea utilizado para joder a otras personas tal y como ha dicho repetidas veces en el foro del winsms.

Primero han empezado diciendo que porque no liberaba el source, y luego han ido por otro lado diciendo si el winsms hacía algo extraño y por lo tanto querían los fuentes.

Sorry, tema del MPlayer zanjado, no me había puesto a leerme la licencia ;)

Simplemente lo quería utilizar como ejemplo indicando que había que seguir la idea del creador...

50. Re: Ejecuta tus programas windows en Linux con WINE. (01/02/2002 01:25, #4643)
Por: El cobarde anónimo

pues si azrael no quiere liberar el código, q no lo haga, cojones, q pa eso es suyo. podrá hacer con el lo q le salga de la punta del cipote, creo yo...

51. Re: Ejecuta tus programas windows en Linux con WINE. (01/02/2002 01:57, #4652)
Por: Juanjo Álvarez

Exacto, eso he mismo he dicho yo, pero que diga 'no lo hago porque no me sale de la punta del cipote', como creo que es el caso, no por excusas que no se sostienen por si solas.

Por cierto, precisamente para casos como estos, en el mundo de la seguridad del software cuando se descubre un fallo de seguridad se hace público (normalmente en bugtraq y alguna lista más como hispasec en el caso de españa) acompañado de un 'ejemplo' en forma de código que explote ese fallo de seguridad. Y nadie lo ve mal, creeme, todo lo contrario, se considera un proceso necesario.

¿Qué sucedería si yo hiciera pública información sobre el fallo del winsms que permite hacer smsbombing (es un fallo porque se supone que no se puede hacer con el) y acompañara esa información con un link a una página donde se detallara el proceso y se acompara de un script para cualquier programa de los que comento permitiendo este uso?

No lo voy a hacer, pero tened muy claro que si se tratara de un programa más importante lo haría para forzar a que, o deje de poner la seguridad como excusa y reconozca finalmente porque no lo quiere hacer, o arregle ese fallo de seguridad (tarea casi imposible).

Saludos

52. Re: Ejecuta tus programas windows en Linux con WINE. (31/01/2002 17:21, #4612)
Por: El cobarde anónimo

Manito, si la aplicacion no fue desarrollada bajo delphi 6 y usando los CLX Form, no creo que te haga el port completo hacia linux... POSTDATA: Primero lee la docu ke viene con la distro de Delphi 6...

53. Re: Ejecuta tus programas windows en Linux con WINE. (31/01/2002 20:54, #4621)
Por: NetVicious

Como bien he dicho más arriba...

WinSMS está hecho con Delphi 3. No usa Delphi 6 porque con el Delphi 3 hace lo mismo y al usar el 6 engorda bastante de tamaño.

54. Re: Ejecuta tus programas windows en Linux con WINE. (31/01/2002 19:06, #4616)
Por: JGarcía

Cuando dices que el tal Azra no quiere que winsms sea opensource porque tendríamos sms-bombers me suena a Micro$oft.

Micro$oft dice lo mismo del opensource: si la gente tiene el código fuente puede modificarlo y hacerlo mejor que Micro$oft o que si la gente ve el código puede encontrar fallos de seguridad y aprovecharse de ellos o arreglarlos (:-).

A mí me parece que es la misma estrategia que Micro$oft: su dinero, por favor.

55. Re: Ejecuta tus programas windows en Linux con WINE. (31/01/2002 21:00, #4623)
Por: NetVicious

Si el Win fuese open source y se modificase no entrañaría ningún peligro si cada uno fuese lo suficientemente precavido de no instalarse nada de alguien que no se fie... Ahora mismo todos nos fiamos de los hackes del kernel y con la 2.4.14 la cosa pudo ser grave.

El WinSMS si fuese opensource podría tener peligro por los sms-bombings y compañía..

No es dificil entender la postura de los creadores de MPlayer alegando que no quieren distribuir binarios porque se pierde optimizaciones. Pues Azrael hace lo mismo prefiere no dejar los sources para evitar el sms-bombing con su trabajo.

56. Re: Ejecuta tus programas windows en Linux con WINE. (01/02/2002 00:09, #4633)
Por: El cobarde anónimo

Si el Win fuese open source y se modificase no entrañaría ningún peligro si cada uno fuese lo suficientemente precavido de no instalarse nada de alguien que no se fie...

¿Que tendrá que ver la velocidad con el tocino? ¿Qué tendrá que ver instalarse un winsms con código maligno dentro sin saberlo con que alguien utilice una versión modificada para hacer mailbombing?

Ahora mismo todos nos fiamos de los hackes del kernel y con la 2.4.14 la cosa pudo ser grave...

¿Einch?

No es dificil entender la postura de los creadores de MPlayer alegando que no quieren distribuir binarios porque se pierde optimizaciones. Pues Azrael hace lo mismo prefiere no dejar los sources para evitar el sms-bombing con su trabajo.

En primer lugar: ¿Que tiene que ver la velocidad con el tocino?

En segundo lugar, te equivocas. No PUEDEN distribuir binarios porque todo el código no es GPL y algunas partes no permiten su redistribución como binario. Aparte de eso dicen que es mucho mejor compilarlo para ganar optimizaciones aunque mucho mejor que eso sería que pusieran librerías .so compiladas para distintas arquitecturas y que el MPlayer las cargara dinámicamente detectando el procesador durante la ejecución.

57. Re: Ejecuta tus programas windows en Linux con WINE. (01/02/2002 01:31, #4645)
Por: NetVicious

Yo y muchos te podemos decir que no tiene nada de maligno dentro. No lo usamos 4 gatos para que nadie se haya dado cuenta de ello.

Ahora mismo todos nos fiamos de los hackes del kernel y con la 2.4.14 la cosa pudo ser grave...

¿Einch?

upss, me ekivoque fue en el 2.4.16

http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.4/ChangeLog-2.4.16http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.4/ChangeLog-2.4.16

El 2.4.15 fue la última versión del 2.4 que estuvo Linus de mantenedor, al poco tiempo de sacarla se encontró un bug bastante gordo al borrar ficheros o enlaces no recuerdo bien.

Esto viene al cuento de que según veo no os fiais de que el WinSMS esté limpio. Todos usamos el kernel y no nos hemos puesto a mirar todo el código. Si no tienes el código de un programa hay múltiples formas de ver si hace algo como mandar información o instalar algo que no toca. Cada uno es libre de creerse que el WinSMS está limpio o no, así como de utilizarlo o no utilizarlo. Yo te puedo decir que está limpio.

En cuanto a lo del MPlayer lo puse como ejemplo de que si el autor no desea hacer/hagan una cosa, es libre de hacerlo. Azrael por ahora no quiere ofrecer los fuentes.

58. Re: Ejecuta tus programas windows en Linux con WINE. (01/02/2002 02:26, #4654)
Por: Juanjo Álvarez

Sí, fue el release marcado como 'greased turnkey' que no sincronizaba las tablas al disco al desmontar, pero eso es un bug de los que suelen denominarse de 'brown papel bag', no un troyano, pasa con todos los programas (libres o no) y además se arregló en cuestión de 4 horas.

Yo no estoy diciendo que el winsms esté o no esté limpio, sólo estoy diciendo que con código fuente disponible o no, puede utilizarse perfectamente para hacer smsbombing, como dicen los expertos en seguridad 'la seguridad por oscuridad es la peor que hay', y los hechos siempre lo demuestran (caso DCSS, etc).

Yo, ahora que comentas lo del banner, creo que el posible miedo que pudiera tener Azra es que alguien cogiera el código fuente y hiciera, no un troyano, sino una versión mejor que la suya. Pero así es el mundo del software libre (te lo dice alguien con dos programas propios, uno bastante extenso y con varios colaboradores, y que aparte es uno de los desarrolladores más activos del KVIrc3). Pero si el WinSMS de Azra siguiera siendo el mejor ¿quién iba a utilizar los otros?

59. Re: Ejecuta tus programas windows en Linux con WINE. (01/02/2002 04:04, #4656)
Por: NetVicious

Azrael y yo hemos guiado a bastantes personas para que se hacer programas de envio de SMSs de forma que dudo que tenga ese miedo. De hecho uno de esos hizo un programa de envio de SMS aceptable y hace poco distribuyó el código fuente, cosa que no le gustó mucho a Azrael..

En cuanto a que alguien haga una mejor no creo que hubiese problemas, Azrael ha dicho en contadas ocasiones que el empezó a programar en Delphi con el WinSMS de forma que no es imposible hacer un programa mejor.

El WinSMS entre otras tantas cosas buenas que tiene, es que tiene muchos servidores, se actualiza muy a menudo y detrás hay mucha gente que colabora con su funcionamiento, buscando servidores, respondiendo preguntas en el irc, en el foro, creando webs dedicadas a ciertos aspectos del winsms, etc, etc.

Aquí yo no estoy defendiendo el WinSMS, estoy defendiendo las opiniones de gente que dice que el WinSMS puede tener troyanos y explicando las razones que tiene Azrael para no liberar el código fuente del mismo.

Dudo que Azrael pierda el sueño pensando que hay mejores programa, que seguramente los habrá no se puede negar.

Lo que siempre suele decir en el foro. Esto es Gratis si lo usas bien y sino también.

60. Re: Ejecuta tus programas windows en Linux con WINE. (28/11/2011 10:27, #67035)
Por: Anonimo

61. Re: Ejecuta tus programas windows en Linux con WINE. (01/02/2002 01:15, #4640)
Por: JGarcía

¿Porque usar código no certificado por una empresa que ofrezca soporte técnico o por ti?

El WinSMS si fuese opensource podría tener peligro por los sms-bombings y compañía..

Por favor! Es lo mismo que si me dijeras que Linux no debería ser opensource!

Como ya ha comentado el usuario anónimo. ¿Que tiene que ver el MPlayer?

62. Re: Ejecuta tus programas windows en Linux con WINE. (01/02/2002 01:45, #4649)
Por: NetVicious

Para empezar aki no se gana ni un duro.. El programa es gratis, si te gusta lo usas y sino no lo uses.

Y si se gana es lo poco que da el único banner de la web. Y de eso el único que ve algo es Azrael--, el resto no vemos na de na, lo hacemos por puro hobby y diversión.

Y lo del MPlayer venía a cuento de respetar lo que dice su creador. Azrael-- no quiero ofrecer el código fuente tal y como los del MPlayer no quieren que se distribuyan binarios.

63. Re: Ejecuta tus programas windows en Linux con WINE. (05/06/2002 04:41, #6540)
Por: Azrael-- (http://www.winsms.org)

Simplemente no quiero que gente empiece a usar el codigo que yo he creado para usarlo para fines como el sms-bombing. El spam en el correo es molesto, pero se puede arreglar mas o menos con filtros. Sin embargo, si estas en una llamada o simplemente con el telefono en cualquier lado, si te mandan 40 sms resulta bastante mas molesto (lo digo por experiencia). En cuanto a compararme con Microsoft, bueno, creo que no tengo que decir nada acerca de ello, ya que WinSMS es gratuito. Simplemente no quiero que la gente use el codigo para algo que no quiero. Si fuese un programa de downloads, retoque fotografico, etc no me importaria. Un saludo. Azrael--

64. Re: Ejecuta tus programas windows en Linux con WINE. (09/06/2003 02:58, #15036)
Por: SEÑOR SUSS

BUENAS, veo que las discursiones aqui son a alto nivel, solo queria decir, una vez visto vuestros comentarios, es que el fin no justifica los medios, la seguridad informatica depende de sus atancates, igual que si no hubiese guerras no necesitariamos armas, digo yo, pero todos sabemos que no es tan simple, Si alguien quiere conseguir tus codigos fuente, tu encriptador preferido o borrarte las cinta de video porno por venganza o por joder, que es lo mas normal,lo +normal, lo hara. Lo importante no es lo que sabemos sino como lo sabemos, si es cierto que los debiles caen, el enemigo evoluciona y una vez que esta dentro y sabe donde dule mas, el resto son escusas, dulce caza. Juntos nunca podran con nosotros, bajar la autoestima y no seais como los putos yankis, intereses... dame un generador de impulsos y parare el universo y tu corazon!

65. wine como un servicio? (29/01/2002 04:17, #4539)
Por: El cobarde anónimo

He visto en instalaciones de mandrake (en redhat también?) que en los scripts de inicio se lanzaba un servicio para el wine. He estado buscando info pero no he encontrado nada de par a que sirve eso. Alguien sabe algo de eso?

66. Re: wine como un servicio? (29/01/2002 08:32, #4540)
Por: odaf (http://www.abilleira.com)

Extraido del propio script en una Mandrake 8.1:

# wine Allow users to run Windows(tm) applications by just clicking # on them (or typing ./file.exe)

A simple vista ojeando el script, lo que hace es cargar el módulo del kernel binfmt_misc y configurarlo para que identifique los ejecutables windows y automáticamente use el wine para lanzarlos.

67. Re: wine como un servicio? (30/01/2002 18:28, #4590)
Por: Gorka Olaizola (http://helvete.escomposlinux.org)

Coño, me interesa eso de ejecutar wine automáticamente. No lo uso mucho y siempre hago un history | grep wine para arrancarlo, porque sólo lo uso para la misma aplicación

68. Re: wine como un servicio? (01/02/2002 01:36, #4647)
Por: El cobarde anónimo

yo tuve el wine un tiempo y aunque lo dejé, lo de que se ejecute automaticamente lo tenia como un tipo MIME asociando al wine todos los .exe. No se si es a eso a lo que te referías

69. Re: wine como un servicio? (11/02/2002 16:18, #4780)
Por: cap_kirk69

wenas a todos...estoy empezando en este mundo del linux y me gustaria si fuese posible...a vosotros que sois mucho mas GURU que yo, por supuesto... de que forma se configuraria WINE, minimamente para poder empezar a hechar a andar aplicaciones windows...que por desgracia aun tengo que seguir utilizando...gracias a todos.

70. Re: Ejecuta tus programas windows en Linux con WINE. (29/01/2002 08:54, #4541)
Por: Capsize

Una preguntita, si montamos la particion win en /windows, me imagino que podemos hacer esto: [Drive C] "Path" = "/windows"

71. Re: Ejecuta tus programas windows en Linux con WINE. (01/02/2002 01:42, #4648)
Por: El cobarde anónimo

72. Ejecutar DreamWeaver (29/01/2002 12:05, #4542)
Por: javielinux

Hola a todos,

Tengo Mandrake 8.1 con Wine, y funciona perfecto, he puesto el NotePad y la verdad me sorprendió gratamente pq no tuve q hacer grandes configuraciones para q saliese. Pero ahora tengo un problema, quiero ejecutar dreamweaver y no se como. Creo q hay q poner las rutas de las dll, aunque no estoy muy seguro. Tengo un programa para Windows q me dice q dlls están corriendo en el momento q ejecuto un programa, por lo que puedo saber todos las rutas necesarias, pero
¿como hago para decirselo a Wine? ¿alguien me puede ayudar? ¿estoy en lo cierto en las cosas q he dicho?

Gracias a todos y un gran saludos, por cierto, gran artículo

73. Re: Ejecutar DreamWeaver (29/01/2002 15:06, #4548)
Por: Capsize

Bueno, no he probado dreaweaver pero he probado programas mios hechos en VB 6 y rula perfectamente, lo que hago para que pille los DLL es montar la particion de windows en /windows y luego configuro el wine diciendole que C es /windows y casi seguro que pillara todo. Esta noche pruebo el dreamweaver y te digo cosas.Es FANTASTICO, no hay excusa para no usar linux, se puede hacer lo mismo que windows incluso mas...Y MEJOR. Ya ves, ejecutar ficheros windows en linux, cosa que al reves !!!IMPOSIBLE!!!. P.D.: De cada vez estoy mas orgulloso de linux.

74. Re: Ejecutar DreamWeaver (29/01/2002 17:37, #4554)
Por: javielinux

No me queda muy claro, ¿como le digo a WINE q el c es el directorio /windows? ¿por cierto yo el directorio windows lo tengo montado en /mnt/windows, supongo q valdrá? sino lo cambio, pero vale ¿no? Saludos y gracias

75. Re: Ejecutar DreamWeaver (29/01/2002 17:52, #4555)
Por: Capsize

Si, el directorio /mnt/windows vale igual, tienes que configurarlo en el fichero /.wine/config. Tal y como explica Carcoco. [Drive C] "Path" = "/wine/c" -> aqui pon "/mnt/windows" en vez de "/wine/c"

76. Re: Ejecutar DreamWeaver (30/01/2002 08:31, #4570)
Por: Capsize

Ayer probe el dreamweaver, bueno, cargar, carga, pero no rula como se espera.

77. Re: Ejecutar DreamWeaver (30/01/2002 09:44, #4571)
Por: javielinux

bueno bueno, ya intente ejecutar DreamWeaver y me salió una cosa muy extraña. Por cierto, yo configure Wine con winesetup y me cambió el archivo conf y me puso el PATH bien, por eso lo pregunté. Lo q hice fue intentar ejecutar photoshop, ya q alguien por aquí había dicho una página, muy buena por cierto, donde te dice los parametros a pasar con wine para ejecutar diferentes programas, y venía photoshop y empezó a arrancar perfectamente pero al final cascó. Creo q a lo mejor es pq tengo la versión 6.0 y a lo mejor tengo q ponerle alguna dll mas. Lo q hice después fue poner las mismas dll de photoshop con el DreamWeaver (para probar) y me arrancó, pero me hacía cosas raras, el fondo del programa me salía transparente viendose el escritorio. A lo mejor tengo q ponerle alguna dll mas. Yo puse lo siguiente:

wine -dll shell,shell32,commtrl,comctl32,commdlg,comdlg32,shlwapi=n photoshp.exe

y con el DreamWeaver igual, pero con Dreamweaver.exe (q tontería). ¿Q pusiste tú? ya q yo sin poner las dll no me rula

Saludos a todos

78. Re: Ejecutar DreamWeaver (30/01/2002 10:15, #4573)
Por: Capsize

Pues me pasa lo mismo que a ti, el fondo es transparente, pero el programa creo que funciona. No lo he probado. y lo de las dll, pos yo no le digo nada. Simplemente ejecuto wine dreamweaver.exe y ya esta.

79. Re: Ejecuta tus programas windows en Linux con WINE. (29/01/2002 15:17, #4549)
Por: albert

otro uso practico que se le suele dar es el de ejecutar el mirc. No entiendo porque cuando disponemos de clientes tan buenos como el bitchx :P

80. Re: Ejecuta tus programas windows en Linux con WINE. (31/01/2002 13:32, #4608)
Por: El cobarde anónimo

A mi bitchx no me da mas que dolores de cabeza. No me parece demasiado bueno

81. Re: Ejecuta tus programas windows en Linux con WINE. (31/01/2002 17:48, #4613)
Por: madmax

El bitchx es muy bueno, muy potente, pero complicado de aprender a usar. Si quieres algo facil, pero que a la vez es mucho mejor que el mirc, prueba kvirc.

82. Re: Ejecuta tus programas windows en Linux con WINE. (29/01/2002 15:46, #4550)
Por: carcoco (http://carcoco.eresmas.com)

Aqui os dejo un par de enlaces que tambien son muy interesantes;

La versión del proyecto wine de Codeweavers:
http://wine.codeweavers.com/

y dos listado de aplicaciones y su soporte en Wine:
http://appdb.codeweavers.com/ y http://franksworld.net/wine/

83. Re: Ejecuta tus programas windows en Linux con WINE. (29/01/2002 16:54, #4552)
Por: SerK7

netvicious un codigo para envio de SMS no es ningun secreto ke no se pueda relevar ... el miedo a smsbombers no es escusa. ya ke paginas como torry.net de hace muxisimo tiempo ya. an publicado para delphi codigos de sms. yo mismo me compile uno. ahora kiero ver si es compilable en kylix. aun no me puesto en ello :P

84. Re: Ejecuta tus programas windows en Linux con WINE. (30/01/2002 00:20, #4564)
Por: NetVicious

Cada uno es libre de hacer lo que quiera con su código fuente.

Azrael desde el principio ha negado ofrecer su código para evitar que se haga mal uso de él...

Como bien comentas el envio de SMS a través de web no es nada del otro mundo, con mirarte un poco de sockets, TCP y el RFC del HTTP ya lo tienes casi todo.

Lo único es que el WinSMS es un programa que se actualiza bastante a menudo y que tiene muchos servidores de forma que si el código se ofreciese y se actualizase cada x tiempo sería el problema.

De hecho tengo constancia de que el código fuente de un programa SMS hecho en Delphi hace poco se liberó, cosa que no le gustó mucho a Azrael ya que él le había ayudado a hacerlo.

85. Re: Ejecuta tus programas windows en Linux con WINE. (31/01/2002 17:50, #4614)
Por: madmax

Y como sabemos que azrael no está repartiendo virus, troyanos o gusanos a diestro y siniestro?

86. Re: Ejecuta tus programas windows en Linux con WINE. (31/01/2002 20:57, #4622)
Por: NetVicious

Si te pones así cualquier programa que no tengas el source puede ser un troyano en toda regla...

El WinSMS lo utiliza mucha gente y hay muchas formas de comprobar si un programa es un troyano o no lo es.

Azrael-- nunca se ha escondido y los que colaboramos con él desde hace más de un año sabemos que no es ese tipo de personas..

87. Re: Ejecuta tus programas windows en Linux con WINE. (04/02/2002 10:26, #4688)
Por: El cobarde anónimo

Que tenga muchos servidores y que se actualize continuamente no tiene mucho que ver, se puede separar el codigo fuente de la base de datos de servidores y reglas de envio, y liberar solo el codigo fuente, esto siempre y cuando el programa tenga un minimo de modularidad.

Salud2 !!!

88. Re: Ejecuta tus programas windows en Linux con WINE. (04/02/2002 16:11, #4689)
Por: NetVicious

Se separe lo que se separe él quiere evitar que se use tu código para sms-bombing

89. Re: Ejecuta tus programas windows en Linux con WINE. (14/03/2002 15:12, #5198)
Por: RBC

Tio, lo q esta claro es q no liberar el WinSMS no hace ningun favor a nadie, si no lo quereis liberar me parece muy bien, en serio, es vuestro programa. Pero no vayais de mártires diciendo q es por nuestro bien, para q no haya smsbombing ... COMO TE APELLIDAS !¿!GATES!?! ... decid q no lo liberais pq no os sale de la pinga y ya esta, q quedais mejor y todo. Pero que quieres q te diga, estaría muy bien q un programa tan util fuera opensource. Putadas se pueden hacer hasta con el código del tamagochi, eso no es una razon y creo q esa no es la solucion.

ByE.

90. Re: Ejecuta tus programas windows en Linux con WINE. (14/03/2002 15:54, #5200)
Por: NetVicious

Yo no se lo que pensarías tu si algo en lo cual tu has dejado muchas horas se utiliza para un mal fin cuando tu no quieres que sirva para ese fin.

SMSBombers hay (por suerte o por desgracia) tu eliges que hacer.

91. DirectX (29/01/2002 17:26, #4553)
Por: Mystix (http://m4tr1x.org)

Creo que no tiene soporte para DirectX, eso se implemente en WineX , un fork de WINE hecho por una empresa llamada Transgaming. http://www.transgaming.com

92. Re: DirectX (29/01/2002 19:28, #4557)
Por: ElCoco

Pos yo tengo el wine "a secas" y si que me pilla las directx...Lo he probado con varios emuladores(de recreativas y consolas) que usan directx y va bastante bien (naturalmente va mas lento pero que quereis, es un emulador que se ejecuta en otro emulador XD ;)), asi no tengo que reiniciar cada vez que sacan una rom nueva XD
Incluso hace tiempo llegue a ejecutar el juego Baldurs Gate II,aunque no pasaba de la pantalla de presentacion ya era un logro ;) Eso fue hace cosa de un año, por lo que si lo pruebo ahora igual ya rula :) lastima que me de pereza instalarlo para comprobarlo XD (son 2,5 GB de juego XDDD)

93. Ups (29/01/2002 20:30, #4559)
Por: Mystix (http://m4tr1x.org)

Cierto, acabo de comprobar que WINE tiene soporte hasta DirectX7 aunque parece que tienen problemillas con DirectInput. WineX aporta (o aportará) soporte para DirectX8.

94. Re: Ejecuta tus programas windows en Linux con WINE. (29/01/2002 19:51, #4558)
Por: carcoco (http://carcoco.eresmas.com)

Otro enlace, por lo menos curioso:
XWine: es un frontend para el wine, que simula el típico escritorio windows, no confundir con WineX:
http://darken.tuxfamily.org/pages/xwine.html

95. Re: Ejecuta tus programas windows en Linux con WINE. (30/01/2002 10:17, #4574)
Por: Capsize

Tio...... la pagina esta en franchute.... no me entero naaaaa

96. Re: Ejecuta tus programas windows en Linux con WINE. (25/08/2002 18:23, #7879)
Por: El cobarde anónimo

hay una cosa que pone "English". La pulsas, y no te enteras de nada, pero en inglés :-P

97. Re: Ejecuta tus programas windows en Linux con WINE. (31/01/2002 13:25, #4607)
Por: El cobarde anónimo

Con WINE, pude efecutar la version original de Unreal (y jugarlo muy bien ), visio professional 5.0), winzip, pero no hubo forma con dreamweaver 4.0. WINE, tiene futuro, pero mas lo tienen los programas nativos linux

98. Re: Ejecuta tus programas windows en Linux con WINE. (31/01/2002 22:09, #4626)
Por: El cobarde anónimo

Para usar el unreal no necesitas usar el wine.
Si tienes el cd del unreal y el script de instalacion
para linux funciona perfectamente. Incluso tienes varios mods que tambien funcionan en linux.

99. Re: Ejecuta tus programas windows en Linux con WINE. (31/01/2002 14:04, #4610)
Por: El cobarde anónimo

Anónimo pero con el correo disponible...es que no tengo tiempo para regsitrarme.

A lo que iba...
El texto me ha interesado mucho y agradezco el esfuerzo de gente como Carlos Cortés para que gente como yo ( o sea con muy buenas intenciones, pero de momento nada más ) podamos hacer alguna chapucilla. Realmente ha sido útil.
Estoy en el trabajo y en los huecos de tiempo libre me he dedicado a seguir los pasos del texto e instalar el wine en una redhat 7 que tenemos perdida por aquí.
Pero me falla algo.
Cuando me pongo a crear el registro de windows con el comando:
"./programs/regapi/regapi setValue

100. Re: Ejecuta tus programas windows en Linux con WINE. (31/01/2002 14:10, #4611)
Por: El cobarde anónimo

ups!...se me ha cortado el mensaje...sigo.
Total que al ejecutar ese paso me devuelve:
"./programs/regapi/regapi: error while loading shared libraries: libntdll.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory."

La librería la tengo en el directorio dlls, o sea que algo busca donde no debe. ¿alguna sugerencia?

Saludos a Carlos y a la gente de foro.

101. Re: Ejecuta tus programas windows en Linux con WINE. (31/01/2002 18:17, #4615)
Por: El cobarde anónimo

Aupa!

Aunque en ingles, hay una web que comenta como instalar, configurar y jugar con Wine.

A mi me sirvio para poder utilizae otros programas (no juegos).

La pagina es: http://www.escomposlinux.org/sinner/Steel/linux_en.html

Igual le sirve a alguien.

Agur!

102. Re: Ejecuta tus programas windows en Linux con WINE. (04/02/2002 20:52, #4690)
Por: Warp22 (http://www.winsms.org)

Azrael-- y Netvicius: Con dos cojones. que se pasen por el canal y ya verán lo que jode el sms-bombing. Es gratis: Si te gusta lo usas, que no: pues nada. Los colaboradores no vemos un duro, y dudo que Azra tampoco :P http://www.winsms.org

103. Re: Ejecuta tus programas windows en Linux con WINE. (14/03/2002 15:17, #5199)
Por: RBC

Bien, te respondo lo mismo q a NetVicius

"Tio, lo q esta claro es q no liberar el WinSMS no hace ningun favor a nadie, si no lo quereis liberar me parece muy bien, en serio, es vuestro programa. Pero no vayais de mártires diciendo q es por nuestro bien, para q no haya smsbombing ... COMO TE APELLIDAS !¿!GATES!?! ... decid q no lo liberais pq no os sale de la pinga y ya esta, q quedais mejor y todo. Pero que quieres q te diga, estaría muy bien q un programa tan util fuera opensource. Putadas se pueden hacer hasta con el código del tamagochi, eso no es una razon y creo q esa no es la solucion."

ByE.

104. Re: Ejecuta tus programas windows en Linux con WINE. (13/03/2002 13:13, #5177)
Por: Ildenet

Enhorabuena por el articulo, os felicito y os apoyo en que no sigais el monopolio de microsoft ese. yo soy otro valiente que opté por linux, y pienso que todo el mundo deveria usarlo. Espero pasar por aqui varias veces y decirselo a mis amigos. La primera imprsion es la que queda. Saludos Ildenet.

105. Re: Ejecuta tus programas windows en Linux con WINE. (22/03/2002 14:52, #5346)
Por: El cobarde anónimo (http://caravaggio.com.br)

Baseado em sua experiencia, gostaria de saber se ao colocar um programa de cad rodando wine sobre a distro conectiva linux (brazil) funcionaria. Meu computador não tem mais o URG !!! win, estou 100% yeah !!! linux.

Andrea

106. Novato en Linux (porfavor leer) (27/03/2002 20:49, #5459)
Por: Nuk2k

Hola a todos los que lean el artículo. Por favor ayudadme, acabo de instalar el Linux Mandrake 8.1, pero no tengo ni idea de usarlo. Hasta hora siempre he usado Windows y ahora... fff... esto se me hace complicadísimo.
Bueno..., el problema es que me bajo el Wine abro la consola $hell me pongo en el directorio del código, le doy a ./configure pero me da el siguiente error:

*** Error: No suitable bison/yacc found. ***
Please install the 'bison' package.

Bien, ahi lo tenéis. PorFavor, si alguien sabe la solución o si alguien me puede guíar acerca de linux, porfavor escribidme a nukes_machine@hotmail.com

Muchísimas gracias

107. Re: Novato en Linux (porfavor leer) (17/08/2003 17:41, #16468)
Por: El cobarde anónimo

Bueno, creo que está claro: instala el paquete "bison". Entra como "root" y teclea "urpmi bison"

108. Re: Ejecuta tus programas windows en Linux con WINE. (03/04/2002 02:52, #5532)
Por: El cobarde anónimo

ts_xlib.c:10:22: X11/Xlib.h: No existe el fichero o el directorio
In file included from ts_xlib.c:12:
../include/ts_xlib.h:16:22: X11/Xlib.h: No existe el fichero o el directorio
make[1]: *** [ts_xlib.o] Error 1
make: *** [tsx11/libwine_tsx11.so] Error 2

siguiendo los pasos del articulo, al compilar me sale lo anterior, que he hecho mal? (hace 2 dias que tengo instalado linux, soy bastante novato xD)

109. Consulta sobre WINE (06/04/2002 18:28, #5576)
Por: RGM

Acabo de instalar el Wine , siguiendo los consejos publicados en BULMA,y todo aparentemente esta bien pero al hacer la prueba con el CALC, me sale el siguiente error: # wine "c:\windows\calc.exe" Warning: could not find wine config [Drive x] entry for current working directory /; starting in windows directory. err:module:BUILTIN32_dlopen failed to load .so lib for builtin x11drv.dll: /usr/local/lib/libx11drv.so: undefined symbol: TSXF86VidModeGetModeLine Could not load graphics driver 'x11drv' Y se queda pensando....., y al cortarlo aparece el mensaje Segmentation fault Por cierto he isntalado la version 20020310 del wine, la ultima que aparece en la pagina recomendada en el mencionado articulo. Y utilizo el SuSE Enterprise, con Kerner 2.4.7 Les agradecere infinitammente que me puedan ayudar, si es que les ha pasado y/o conocen la solucion del problema. Muchas Gracias

110. Consulta sobre WINE (06/04/2002 18:30, #5577)
Por: RGM

Acabo de instalar el Wine , siguiendo los consejos publicados en BULMA,y todo aparentemente esta bien pero al hacer la prueba con el CALC, me sale el siguiente error:

# wine "c:\windows\calc.exe"
Warning: could not find wine config [Drive x] entry for current working directory /; starting in windows directory.
err:module:BUILTIN32_dlopen failed to load .so lib for builtin x11drv.dll: /usr/local/lib/libx11drv.so: undefined symbol: TSXF86VidModeGetModeLine
Could not load graphics driver 'x11drv'

Y se queda pensando....., y al cortarlo aparece el mensaje

Segmentation fault

Por cierto he isntalado la version 20020310 del wine, la ultima que aparece en la pagina recomendada en el mencionado articulo. Y utilizo el SuSE Enterprise, con Kerner 2.4.7

Les agradecere infinitammente que me puedan ayudar, si es que les ha pasado y/o conocen la solucion del problema.

Muchas Gracias

111. Problema con wine (07/04/2002 21:38, #5586)
Por: Tin

He instalado wine (version 20020310) usando como guia el articulo publicado en Bulma y otros que encontre por la red. Despues de muchas pruebas y leer, he conseguido arrancar 3 juegos: starcraft, red alert y carmageddon. El problema esta en k no funcionan ni el teclado ni el raton!, kon lo k no puedo jugar :( Lo extraño es k en las instalaciones de los juegos y demas, el raton y el teclado funcionaban, pero al entrar en "pantalla completa" de un juego dejan de funcionar. Alguien tiene alguna idea de lo k puede estar mal??? teclado+raton son ps/2 Gracias por adelantado

112. Re: Ejecuta tus programas windows en Linux con WINE. (13/04/2002 04:57, #5655)
Por: crono

Que tal, es un buen articula ya que soy nuevo en linux y e querido instalar el wine, todo al parecer se instala bien pero al llegar al ultimo punto, aparece un error de que no comprendo ya que he creado los directorios, si algien puede ayudarme se lo agradesere, abajo coloco el error que resulta.

----------------------------------------------
crono@linux:~/Mis Archivos/wine-20020310>
programs/regapi/regapi setValue , ignorig drive C: Invalid path 'c:\windows' for windows directory: does not exist
Perhaps you have not properly edited or created you wine configuration file.
This is '/home/crono/.wine/config'
--------------------------------------------------
utilizo suse linux con el kernel 2.4
ayudarme

113. Problemon con el wine... (31/05/2002 15:09, #6471)
Por: Baltus2k

hola linuxeros, tengo un problemon con el wine y es que cuando pongo programs/regapi/regapi setValue

114. Re: Problemon con el wine... (31/05/2002 15:10, #6472)
Por: El cobarde anónimo

joder q no salio entero el mensaje, pues era qe me dice ue error while loading libreries y eso... gracias

115. Re: Ejecuta tus programas windows en Linux con WINE. (10/07/2002 18:27, #7219)
Por: jes88

Hola instale wine-20020605 y todo ok, trato de instalar VB 6 y me mando errores, alguien sabe cual es la forma de instalar VB 6 en wine. esto es sin el winbugs o tienen alguna guia o url que me recomienden.

116. Re: Ejecuta tus programas windows en Linux con WINE. (11/07/2002 20:47, #7235)
Por: El cobarde anónimo

e tenio q borrar el azrasms xq no m iba, si alguien puede q m diga xq es. si naie save lo q le pasa, simplemente m enviais el programa a la siguiente direccion: eagle_baspook@hotmail.com. enviarme el azrasms ahi o agregarme y m lo pasais x messenger. gracias dew

117. Re: Ejecuta tus programas windows en Linux con WINE. (03/04/2003 20:28, #13370)
Por: El cobarde anónimo

mierda,..comprate un teclado como la gente o aprende a escribir bestia.

118. Re: Ejecuta tus programas windows en Linux con WINE. (12/07/2002 17:50, #7245)
Por: EEdgar

Trate de instalar wine y todo funciono bien hasta llegar a la parte de regapi en donde primero lo compile con $make segun dice el articulo y despues ejecute $ programs/regapi/regapi setValue .. winedefault.reg sin embargo no se genero el system.reg y no se ve ningun resultado (ni errores), alguien podria decirme que puedo hacer para poder ejecutar lar calculadora.exe... gracias

119. Problema con el wine, necesito ayuda (04/10/2002 23:49, #8906)
Por: morlaco

intale el wine y todo pareciera estar de pelos, pero en el momento de instalar algunas aplicaciones aparece un mensaje de que se requiere el windows installer, y se detiene el proceso y no las puedo instalar, lo raro es que no ocurre con todas las aplicaciones, algunas (por cierto muy básicas) si funcionan y bien. Por fa si alguien tiene idea de que pueda estar pasando hagamelo saber. P.

120. Re: Ejecuta tus programas windows en Linux con WINE. (28/10/2002 09:53, #9499)
Por: rabiososo

mola winsms

121. Re: Ejecuta tus programas windows en Linux con WINE. (12/11/2002 18:06, #9916)
Por: Pablo - Argentina

Hola a todos, bueno en realidad nunca usé el wine, creo que tocaría hacerlo debido a que las aplicaciones en Visual Fox Pro debo instalarlas en dicho S.O. Alguien tiene idea de como funciona esto. Gracias. Pablo desde Argentina.

122. es nesesario tener una particion con win ? (20/03/2003 21:40, #12988)
Por: AxN

es nesesario tener una particion con win para poder hacer funcionar el wine?. ami me interesa para poder correr el juego half life

123. Re: es nesesario tener una particion con win ? (25/09/2003 02:43, #17224)
Por: El cobarde anónimo

NO, por supuesto que no hace falta, te remito a la siguiente página que tal vez te sea de ayuda: http://www.galpon.org/roxana/Documentos/HowtoJuegos/html/index.html S aludos

124. Ejecucion de VB en LINUX (24/03/2003 19:09, #13088)
Por: sxdragon

KE TAL ?? SOY UN NOVATO EN ESTO DE LINUX Y KISISERA SABER SI ESPOSIBLE EJECUTAR EL VISUAL STUDIO BAJO LINUX UTILIZANDO EL WINE, Y Q OTROS PROGRAMAS TIENEN COMPPROBASO Q SE EJECUTAN SIN NINGUN PROBLEMA

125. re - ok (06/04/2003 07:04, #13421)
Por: scott

una masa el aticulo pero me surgio un problema todo lo que instalo no se ejecuata me aparese el reloj de arena dando buelta i nada quiero desmitificar este misterio por que? porque no se lansa la aplicasion una bes descubri que era por los permisos i aora no se por que es carge el kaza ozi explorer real pleyer i nada que tengo que hacer de antamano grasias salu2

126. Re: Ejecuta tus programas windows en Linux con WINE. (12/04/2003 21:02, #13595)
Por: problem-wine

hola tengo un problema instale el oxy explorer el cazaa con el wine y el problema que me produse es que se lanza aparese el reloj de arena dando buenta i despues se ba se muere me aparese abajo donde tengo las iconizaciones de las bentanas el relog con la aplicacion en una palabra no se ejecutan algien me puede dar una mano tengo mandrake ---kde---ker-2.4-- ilos paquetes me lo trago la distribucion (de wine) trate de descargarlo pero nolo pude compilar debe ser problemas de permisos o de configuracion auque nose si me puden ayudar de antemano grasias salu2

127. Me ha ayudado mucho , pero.... (28/04/2003 14:33, #14007)
Por: Yolanda

Este articulo me ha ayudado a instalar y configurar wine sin problemas en mi servidor Linux (Mandrake 9), pero ahora tengo un problema que no se si alguien se ha planteado. Con un Xserver en mi windows98, quiero ejecutar el wine de mi servidor, para poder trabajar desde mi puesto con aplicaciones windows ejecutadas en Linux.Es un poco redundate pero a mi me resulta interesante para el acceso de los usuarios desde sus PC's a ciertas aplicaciones, que por otro lado no se aun se funcionaran con wine, y que actualmente usan via samba.

128. Re: Ejecuta tus programas windows en Linux con WINE. (29/05/2003 21:16, #14753)
Por: Invertex

Hola a todos, ¿alguien sabe decirme si es posible ejecutar el age o empires 2, the Conquerors, con wine? Gracias

129. Re: Ejecuta tus programas windows en Linux con WINE. (10/07/2003 20:02, #15801)
Por: El valiente anónimo

Pues sí, seguramente alguien lo sepa.

130. Re: Ejecuta tus programas windows en Linux con WINE. (10/07/2003 20:47, #15804)
Por: El cobarde anónimo

has probado a instalar el wine y probar si tira?

131. Re: Ejecuta tus programas windows en Linux con WINE. (22/09/2003 19:05, #17188)
Por: El cobarde anónimo

pero es de visual fox pro 6.0

132. Re: Ejecuta tus programas windows en Linux con WINE. (26/09/2003 17:29, #17253)
Por: César

Hola, gente... yo soy un recien llegado a linux (si amante de SCO) lei que wine,,,, corre cualquier aplicacion de MSWindows,,,,, la pregunta que tengo y tal vez estoy pecando de ignorante,,,, una aplicacion realizada con vb6 y que utiliza mssql, la aplicacion ¿corre? en el linux y como hago con el odbc desde el linux al servidor mssql Gracias César

133. Ayuda con el wine (21/12/2003 11:59, #18744)
Por: Luis

Soy un novato en esto de Linux, uso una Mandrake 9.2 y me he puesto a instalar wine... He seguido estos pasos:
$ tar -vxzf Wine-20031016.tar.gz
$ cd wine-20031016
$ ./configure
$ make depend && make
# make install
Al finalizar este último paso me dice lo siguiente último paso me pone lo siguiente:
*************************************************
***************** ********************************
The installed Wine libraries will not be found!
You can either:
Add the line '/usr/local/lib' to /etc/ld.so.conf and run /sbin/ldconfig
export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=$LD_LIBRARY_PATH:/usr/local/lib
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Lo de run "/sbin/ldconfig" creo que sería poner en la consola eso (no estoy muy seguro...) pero lo último export (LD_LIBRARY_PATH=$LD_LIBRARY_PATH:/usr/local/lib) no tnego ni idea de como hacerlo.
Muchas gracias por la ayuda y espero que me haya explicado bien. ;-)

134. Re: Ayuda con el wine (21/12/2003 13:00, #18745)
Por: Luis

Soy el que escribió el mensaje. Al final he abierto el archivo "/etc/ld.so.conf" con Kwrite (como root porque sino no tengo permisos) y me ponía esto:
/usr/X11R6/lib
/usr/lib/qt3/lib
y lo he dejado así:
/usr/X11R6/lib
/usr/lib/qt3/lib
/usr/local/lib
Después empecé a probar... (quizás sea d+iado arriesgado probar así sin saber :$) y puse en la consola:
# /sbin/ldconfig
Como resultado de esto no apareció nada
# /sbin/ldconfig export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=$LD_LIBRARY_PATH:/usr/local/lib
Aquí me salío lo siguiente
/sbin/ldconfig: :/usr/local/lib is not a known library type
# /sbin/ldconfig export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=$LD_LIBRARY_PATH:/usr/local/lib/wine
Aquí me salío lo siguiente
/sbin/ldconfig: :/usr/local/lib/wine is not a known library type
Así que no sé que hacer... ¿Debo poneros el contenido de la carpeta /usr/local/lib/wine? Si eso decídmelo ;-)

135. Re: Ayuda con el wine (05/04/2005 02:00, #26107)
Por: nix

Efectivamente: abrir el archivo "/etc/ld.so.conf" con un editor (por ejemplo Kwrite) y poner al final de éste "/usr/local/lib". Lo de run "/sbin/ldconfig" y luego nuevamente make install tuve el mismo problema y con la ayuda de este articulo lo resolvi. :)

136. Re: Ejecuta tus programas windows en Linux con WINE. (16/02/2004 05:58, #19770)
Por: Anónimo

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138. Re: Ejecuta tus programas windows en Linux con WINE. (20/06/2004 15:31, #21998)
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139. Re: Ejecuta tus programas windows en Linux con WINE. (01/07/2004 14:01, #22185)
Por: novato

Gracis por la información sobre instalación de WINE Tengo un problema con una programa de windows que se instala bien pero al ejecutarlo da un error: no tiene Tarjeta de Red o no encuentra clientes para redes microsoft o no tiene protocolo TCP/IP Es un programa para control de un cinber y so se como solucionarlo. ¿Es posible que sea porque WINE no tine los controladores de la tarjeta de RED? ¿Se puede solucionar? Espero respuesta Gracias

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141. Re: Ejecuta tus programas windows en Linux con WINE. (15/10/2004 05:40, #23831)
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Con este programa podemos ejecutar todos los programas en un servidor o toca cargar los programas de windows en cada maquina??

142. Ejecuta tus programas windows en Linux con WINE. (04/11/2004 20:03, #24119)
Por: principiante_jl

hola quisiera saber cuales son los inconvenientes de usar WINE y cuales programas de windows no pueden ser utilizados en linux mediante WINE, otra peguntota es como puedo hacerle para tener un servidor de programas en linux osea tener una maquina con varios programas y mandarlos a llamar de otra sin tener que instalarlo en esta ultima?

143. Programas CAD? (16/12/2004 20:47, #24686)
Por: SLB

Hola. Estoy un poco harto de los problemas que me da el windows, y me gustaría saber si el WINE podría hacerme compatible con linux programas de diseño en 3D como el AutoCAD, el AutoDesk INVENTOR, el 3D-MAX-Studio, etc. Son programas que necesito que me funcionen.
Si sabéis algo, os agradecería que me lo dijérais. Gracias.

144. Re: Programas CAD? (19/05/2007 07:06, #41819)
Por: luis

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145. Instalacon IE 5 (09/02/2005 19:53, #25264)
Por: Rola

Alguien ha instalado IE 5 con Wine, yo no.He probado con otros software, pero el que me interesa en la base wine, ya luego necesito instalar otros programa que dependen de IE Help me:P Cualquier Respuesta, es bienvenida. Gracias.

146. Re: Ejecuta tus programas windows en Linux con WINE. (16/02/2005 14:27, #25314)
Por: Anónimo

Hola Soy nuevo en linux y tengo varias Aplicaciones desarrolladas en VB6 y quisiera saber: 1.- Se puede instalar estas aplicaciones en linux o simplemente copiarlas y registrar las DLL que utiliza? 2.- Que se necesita para poder correr correctamente estas aplicaciones hechas en VB6 para se conecten a unidades de discos determinadas en una Red. 3.- Como es el tema de drivers que utilizá para las conexion de las BD (msaccess o sqlServer)? Desde ya agrecederia la ayuda y/o comentario Slds.

147. Re: Ejecuta tus programas windows en Linux con WINE. (23/03/2005 00:29, #25836)
Por: Eliaz

Hola, Super útil la ayuda; No tuve problemas para instalar el wine y correr aplicaciones Independientes; es decir ejecutables, pero ahora estoy tratando de instalar una aplicación que requiere de los Com+ Windos para Validarme el usuario, y no he podido echarlo a andar. y No .. ya trate con LDAP y kerberos y no funciono ... Se escuchan Sugerencias antes de Tirar el Ordenador por La Ventana... Muchas Gracias.. de antemano por la ayuda. :)

148. Re: Ejecuta tus programas windows en Linux con WINE. (25/03/2005 10:15, #25871)
Por: Anónimo

Hola, he leido el articulo y he seguido los prodecimientos. Tengo Linux 9.2 Suse y a la hora de compilar me dicd que faltan algunas librerias y no se compila correctamente, ¿donde puedo conseguir las librerias para el wine?

149. problemon (21/04/2005 21:15, #26329)
Por: caballero

Pues si soys tan amables de ayudarme tengo un problemas al ejecutar mirc desde wine

SUSE1:/xp/e/Mirc/mIRC # wine mirc.exe wine: Could not load graphics driver 'x11drv'. Make sure that your X server is running and that $DISPLAY is set correctly. SUSE1:/xp/e/Mirc/mIRC #
A ver si son tan amables y me ayudan

150. Re: Ejecuta tus programas windows en Linux con WINE. (11/05/2005 23:28, #26607)
Por: Guary

Tengo problemas pues ya instale WINE y puedo correr aplicaciones windows pero no he podido instalar windows ni office con WINE. les agradecere mucho su ayuda

151. Re: Ejecuta tus programas windows en Linux con WINE. (01/08/2005 20:03, #27727)
Por: Turco (http://linux.rio4.com.ar)

Que intentaste instalar windows con el wine???

152. Re: Ejecuta tus programas windows en Linux con WINE. (07/05/2007 22:16, #41188)
Por: Don señor

jejjejejej instalar windows con wine, excelente ;)

153. Re: Ejecuta tus programas windows en Linux con WINE. (07/08/2005 22:30, #27788)
Por: Anónimo

Como estan, alguno de ustedes tiene idea de que debo hacer para que funcione la base de datos de prueba que viene en Mercialincs dentro de linux, no tengo la menor idea de que hacer trate de instalar Desktop SQL para windows, y ejecutar desde ahi el codigo fuente y pues no se instala, nose si talvez pueda ser que en el archivo config, la etiqueta de DNS estaba ;comentada? obviamente uso wine, la inatalacion de Mercia es perfecta!, y pues al ejecutar $wine mlincs32.exe el programa se ejecuta y sale un cuadro en el que se supone deberian estar las bases de datos que se encuentran, como es en mi maquina de escritorio no esta ninguna, pero tampoco se encuentra la de prueba!, ya tengo instalado oracle 9i en la maquina que al parecer es uno de los requicitos que Mercia tiene, gracias por su ayuda.

154. Re: Ejecuta tus programas windows en Linux con WINE. (14/09/2005 19:21, #28379)
Por: Anónimo

Instale WINE en debian Serge, Sin problemas. Pero cuando corro alguna aplicación el lenguaje me sale en simbolos. como hago para configurar el idioma. Sugerencias?

155. Re: Ejecuta tus programas windows en Linux con WINE. (23/09/2005 18:14, #28542)
Por: Anónimo

Prueba buscando winetools, o simplemente consigue las fuentes en la pagina de microsft, tambie necesitas instalar Visual Basic run time libraries, Visual C++ run time ..., internet explorer X, editar descentemente el archivo que se encuentra en $HOME/.wine/ y llamado "config" los manuales que vas a encontrar poco te ayudaran pues utiliza una version inferior a la que seguamente te bajaste, ya no es necesario colocar las etiquetas drive, esto ahora son enlaces simbolicos en la carpeta $HOME/.devices/ asi que si que te deseo suerte, si necesitas un archivo config mandame un mail, aun que yo lo utilizo en SUSE pero dudo que haya alguna diferencia, y no te preocupes con un poco de paciencia lo dominaras.

156. Re: Ejecuta tus programas windows en Linux con WINE. (05/10/2005 19:00, #28745)
Por: Erick Orlando

He estado intentado por varios dias tratar de ejecutar alguna aplicacion con el WINE pero no logro conseguirlo porque me sale el siguiente error:
err:module:LdrInitializeThunk "msvcrt.dll" failed to initialize, aborting
err:module:LdrInitializeThunk Main exe initialization for L"C:\\WINDOWS\\system32\\calc.exe" failed, status c0000142
y la verdad que casi varios programas como IE, MSN Messenger, hasta la misma calculadora me pide ese archivo y no puedo ejecutar ningun programa windows, el archivo fisicamente existe pero no funca!!!! quisiera saber si me pueden ayudar, yo uso SUSE 9.3 y mi particion de windows esta en /windows/C
estuve configurando el WINE con una aplicacion llamada winesetuptk q es un asistente modo grafico para configurarlo, pero x mas q intento no logro ejecutar nada, diganme, es necesario copiar todo el contenido de las carpetas de windows en mi directorio personal tambien? o puedo usar las librerias adicionales q estan en mi particion de windows?
Espero su respuesta gracias de antemano

157. Re: Ejecuta tus programas windows en Linux con WINE. (10/12/2005 00:23, #29923)
Por: Danny Valencia

Buenas a todos, quise instalar SQL Server 2000 con wine pero no pude me pedia internet superior al 4 y cuando queria instalarlo no me dejaba... ahora estoy probando el wine con el winetools y pues instale el internet y en español (ya q con winetools se hace en variso idiomas menos español) pero aun asi no puedo instalar me dice q no se puede copiar el archivo setup.ins... por mas que trate de editar el instalador para q no pida ese y otros archvios y hacer prubeas no consegui nada... alguien sabe algo?? Antes de irme, "tal vez" un pequeño aporte: Se me ocurrio meter en la carpeta del wine, la del windows el archivo explorer.exe y luego lo ejecuté desde linux y.. evia todo tipo windos 3.11 pero eso no es todo la mejor parte al menos para mi fue q como podia navegar libremente daba doble click a la aplicacion q habia y corria... asi evito colocarlo en el cuadro del suse para ejecutar, se hace directo :D. Cualquier cosa comentare y si alguien tiene ese problema y sabe como resolverlo se los agradeceré, adios.

158. Re: Ejecuta tus programas windows en Linux con WINE. (01/04/2006 00:40, #31701)
Por: Anónimo

me gustaria saber si puedo instalar un wine en un linux activa y como se instala y si puede correr un sistema hecho en clarion les agradeceria mucho muchas gracias

159. Re: Ejecuta tus programas windows en Linux con WINE. (01/04/2006 00:41, #31702)
Por: Anónimo

perdon debia ser linux conectiva y no activa, el comentario anterior, gracias

160. Re: Ejecuta tus programas windows en Linux con WINE. (12/08/2006 02:12, #34287)
Por: kurama72

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161. Re: Ejecuta tus programas windows en Linux con WINE. (02/09/2006 10:30, #34735)
Por: Hasta los huevos

Para trabajar con linux y hacer que todo funcione, hay que ser un especialista en informática. un simple usuario se vuelve loco para configurar, por ejemplo el wine.Yo tengo el Suse 10.0 y estoy hasta los huevos de no poder ver ningún video on line y no on line, hasta los huevos de no poder escuchar la radio, hasta los huevos de no poder configurar el wine, en fin hasta los huevos de pensar en como hacerlo.Cambié a linux por probar, y de hecho es un sistema operativo mucho más estable que su omónimo de microsoft, pero como siga el tema así, acabaré dándole la razón a microsoft. Plug and play, esta debe ser la política de linux para ser popular.

162. Re: Ejecuta tus programas windows en Linux con WINE. (10/10/2006 13:00, #35549)
Por: Anónimo

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163. Re: Ejecuta tus programas windows en Linux con WINE. (10/10/2006 13:05, #35550)
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164. Re: Ejecuta tus programas windows en Linux con WINE. (24/11/2006 20:46, #36723)
Por: Anónimo

para todo esto necesitas tener instalado windows en otra particion para que te jale los programas?

165. Re: Ejecuta tus programas windows en Linux con WINE. (02/04/2007 16:37, #39438)
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Be versed in in order to produce the Taiyuan of axis of high speed wheel again (600169, SH) for exemple, 2008~2010 year, this company fact is battalion to receive 7 billion yuan, 8.1 billion yuan mix 9.7 billion yuan, the investment on research and development is 15.71 million yuan, 6.97 million yuan mix 22.82 million yuan; The proportion that charge of research and development holds battalion to close is only 0.22% , 0.09% with 0.24% , all be worth 3 years for 0.18 ％ .

Advance 100 million industrial (601002, SH) , Jin Xi axle (600495, SH) , rich deep tool (002282, SH) wait for company of Gao Tie fittings to also appear similar case.

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Special of acute heart advocate business Wu reachs form a complete set to equipment is produced and be sold for transformer substation of railroad box type, the scale that nearly 3 years charge of research and development takes business income is 4.06% , 3.71% with 3.43% .

Responsible and groovy railroad attempers, the beautiful dispatch letter that product of monitoring of safety of take precautions against natural calamities of lash-up direct, railroad develops, 2007~2009 year this one index is respectively 9.34% , 8.30% with 8.09% .

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